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Hubbard admits that scientology counselling is psychotherapy


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#1 Rhythm

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:29 PM

From Orders of the Day (OOD) 8 December 1968, "Progress"
6th paragraph:
"We were in the road. Because we were fully effective. We undid his implants. A real psychotherapy had come along. This was no part of his plans. He shot at Scn to discredit it. Because it was effective."

So Hubbard believed that his unlicensed, quack psychotherapy from the 1950's was effective.
But, he neglected to specify how it was effective. In retrospect, Hubbard's "psychotherapy" system can effectively brainwash some people, confuse or repel others, effectively. Fortunately, there are established therapies that undo scientology implants. And they are effective.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 12:23 PM

Excellent point.

Some things are obvious, if one understands what mental therapy is.

"Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Therapy", because he defined his practice as a mental therapy, that pretty much painted himself into the corner.

Only us veteran Scientologists were sufficiently molded to think otherwise, but only after long term absorbing of Hubbard writings where Hubbard forever tried to distance Scientology from mental therapy. He occassionally blurted out what was true from the start though.

Too much of his language is still mental therapy territory. The whole "Case Supervisor" writings. The continuous use of the word "case" when discussing what needing addressing, in a person.

I tell people today, who call the 866-XSEAORG advice line, that Scientology is non peer reviewed talk therapy, and it is also non peer reviewed mental therapy exorcism (because of the exorcism done on the "upper levels", where "body thetan" therapy is used to remove the dead alien souls that infest us all, is done extensively---OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 all deal with the mental therapy directed at the "body thetans" to get them to leave the Scientologists' bodies).

Scientology's ace in the hole, is the OT 3 and following levels that deal with the worst mental damage ever done to people, per Hubbard.

The whole 4th Dynamic Engram, the first part of which is the Wall of Fire huge fire sweeping all of earth, killing everyone, and then the 2nd part of the 4th Dynamic Engram is the mental implanting, where everyone was implanted for 36 and 1/2 days with the crazy R6 implants; the two parts of the 4th Dynamic Engram has caused the MOST mental damaging effects on human beings' minds, of ALL time in this sector of the galaxy and universe, per Hubbard.

His Scientology whole lineup of mental therapy, deals terminatedly with this deep unseen mental implanting, all done 75 million years ago, during the 4th dynamic engram.

Scientology's "upper levels" 3-7 fully handle the mental damage we all suffered, during the 4th dynamic engram.

And Xenu, is just the bad guy's name, who master-minded accomplishing and executing the 4th Dynamic Engram on this sector of the Galaxy.

I wish Scientology would just be so simple in describing their whole layout of mental therapy, as I have above.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 03:34 PM

I see the Training Routines 0 and up as forms of behavior modification therapy, because certain behaviors are rewarded and others are penalized.
I see Dianetics and the Scientology Grades as mostly forms of cognitive regression therapy, all based on the Freudian paradigm.
The upper levels deal mainly with Exorcism.
And absolutely none of it has been given a controlled clinical study, published in a mental health professional journal, and peer reviewed. So, yes, scientology and dianetics are both quack forms of psychotherapy.




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